Speaker 1: 0:52

Hi Ed Dawson here, and, as I'm a bit busy at the moment and need a break, welcome to another one of my best of SEO is not that hard podcasts. These are the episodes from the back catalog that I think have the greatest hits and ones that are still relevant and provide great value for you. So, without further ado, let's get into the episode. Hello and welcome to. Seo is not that hard. I'm your host, ed Dawson, the founder of KeywordsPeopleUsecom, the place to find and organise the questions people ask online. I'm an SEO developer, affiliate marketer and entrepreneur. I've been building and monetising websites for over 20 years and I've bought and sold a few along the way. I'm here to share with you the SEO knowledge, hints and tips I've built up over the years. Hello, this is episode 92 of SEO is Not that Hard, and today I just wanted to talk about the difference really between building versus buying backlinks.

Speaker 1: 1:46

Now see, when a lot of people talk about building backlinks, some people just consider that to be going out and paying for backlinks, buying backlinks off people who are selling backlinks on their sites or selling backlink inserts on content they've already got. Create new content, put those backlinks in and you pay them for it. Now, this is not what google likes. This is the kind of link manipulation that google's considered to be spammy, and it's purely because there's no actual merit to whether you deserve a link or not. It's just whether you've got the cash or not, determined whether you get a link. You got the cash, you get a link. You haven't got the cash, you don't get a link. So the link sellers do not care who they're linking to, as long as your money is good. Now, the reason google doesn't like this is because it, if you go back to the original PageRank algorithm which Google based, a lot of their original success around was the fact that they discovered they could classify the popularity and how good a page was and how relevant a page was by seeing how many people linked to it. They considered these links as votes. So people who are linking without being asked to link or without being enticed to link, without being paid, without it being transactional, those links are genuinely genuine.

Speaker 1: 3:09

People will only tend to link to something that they think is good if there's no other reason for doing it, if they're just trying to find a resource that's useful for their audience, or just a resource they find useful or a resource they want to save people. Look, this is really good over here. Come, look at this and that's great and it is worked really well. And if you go back to, let's say, the early 2000s, late 90s, when basically the older, first generation search engines like the altivistas and search engines like that, where basically if you just spammed the keyword on a page, they just look for the number of on a basic level, looked at how many times a keyword is mentioned on a page, the one which mentioned it the most times would get to the top, which obviously people soon gamed because you just took keywords, stuff the keyword in and you'll rank, which meant you know the.

Speaker 1: 3:52

The quality of pages were soon dissipated to to be absolutely rubbish and also it wasn't necessarily the best way of finding something. The best article on something might not mention the keyword anywhere near as many times as another article, but it could be a better article. And Google discovered that if you just looked at how many pages were linking to individual pages and what the anchor text of those pages were, they could get a really a much better, clearer idea and create a much better index and produce surface much better results basically. But obviously then as soon as people twigged onto this, seos were like, right, well, we can just buy links. We don't have to, we have to wait for people to link to us anymore. We can just buy links and that will tell our web pages and our clients web pages up the rankings for the terms that we want. And that was all very well and good, and it worked. And, you know, I think for a good few years it worked fine, and I think many times Google didn't. I can't remember when they made it against their terms of service for a good long time. It basically was not risky, and people, you know, just did it willy-nilly.

Speaker 1: 4:55

Got to a point, though, where it started to negatively affect lots of niches, and this is where, as soon as the Google results started looking spammy because people were just spamming the link graph, this is when Google started to take action, and this is when the whole buying backlinks became against the terms of service. And then we follow it down the route to Penguin, where they eventually got to the point of really heavily penalizing people that were obviously buying links, because some of the links that people were buying back then were just so obvious that they were bought that it became easy for Google to penalize you for them. So yeah, so that's the reason Google don't like buying links? Because essentially, it pollutes the link graph and makes the search engine results spammy. So is building backlinks as opposed to buying backlinks? Is that also against terms of service? Well, let's think about it.

Speaker 1: 5:47

Okay, so if you're trying to build backlinks without paying for backlinks and without there being any kind of remuneration, not like giving away something, because if essentially paid backlinks not just be cash, it could be. If you give away a product and to somebody, and as part of giving away that product is you expect them to link to you, that is transactional, it is a kind of link buying. So if we take a step back from that and say, right, we're not going to pay anyone for links, we're not going to make it transactional, but what we're going to do is we're going to go out there and essentially ask people for links or bring ourselves to their attention in the hope that they will link to us. Now I think it's perfectly okay to make a request for a link, as long as that request is um, not doesn't have to be met. There's no coercion for someone to make that that request and that you also don't make any specification, really on how they're linked to, so you might not request what page they're linked to and what anchor text they're linked to.

Speaker 1: 6:47

You essentially are in this, this situation where you're. You're it's a type of public relations really, and it's quite normal for any company or any organization uh, any pressure group, anyone, to go out there and make a noise about something they care about. And if you're doing it in a way where what you really want is links but you don't specifically ask for them, then that's perfectly fine. It's perfectly normal to go out there into the world and say to people hey, look at us, look what we can do, and especially if you tie it up around a story or a narrative that might interest the person you're talking to. And that's how a lot of digital PR works, these digital PR companies they will go out, they will construct a story around your product or service or your website. They'll build a narrative and then they'll then essentially try to sell that narrative in to their journalists or any other website that might potentially link to you. And here the key thing is then you're selling into them. You're not buying from them, you're not buying a link from them. Really, you're trying to sell in to these people and you're what you're selling is free. You know you're just trying sell a story to them and hopefully they'll pick that story up, run with it, which will be good for them because they get a story that they can run. But also hopefully, if they link back to you, then that's positive for your link bill. So this is a completely legitimate way of doing it, as long as, again, not transactional. No money or services change hand and you know I've seen the john mueller and other people at google. So this is a completely fine, a normal thing to do, because you're not trying to have any kind of editorial control over what the third party website says or does, whether it does or doesn't link to you use, what anchor text it does or doesn't use, whether it even links to you at all, whether it runs your story you have. You are not trying to exert any control. So that kind of link building method is completely legitimate. No problem at all with that completely white hat. You're not going to get any issues with that.

Speaker 1: 9:00

I have seen some people say but surely if I pay a company to do link building for me, to do digital PR for me, am I not buying links because I'm spending money to pay someone to try and build links for me? Well, this is really just very similar to having a web developer build your website for you. If you're paying a web developer or a graphic designer anybody to do any kind of service in building your website, you know you're paying them for their time to do the job. Now, if you're paying someone to do link building for you and they are using PR techniques and you know link requests but not link payments, then that's fine. They're just doing a job for you. You're not paying for the links, you're paying for their time, and as long as their time and the number of links are decoupled, then that's perfectly fine. You know, if you're doing that as a service, it's just a normal. It's just a completely normal thing to do. It is not against terms of service.

Speaker 1: 9:57

So don't let people tell you that You've got to be careful though that obviously, whoever you're employing is actually following a legitimate white hat technique. So if they're saying they do digital PR, then I would be wary of someone that says, oh yeah, we'll do digital PR and we will get you 500 links and they deliver exactly 500 links. And you look at it and it's like they haven't actually done PR. They just told you they're doing PR and then they've gone and bought's like they haven't actually done pr. They just told you they're doing pr and then they've gone and bought links and they're trying to fob you off and that obviously is dangerous and you've got to watch out for that, because google will come back and penalize you, whether you knew they were doing that or not. You know it's buyer beware, it really is buyer beware. But there's plenty of companies out there that do legitimate link building using digital pr and other methods similar to that, and you know just, I think, the thing to be wary of.

Speaker 1: 10:51

I will be more wary of if someone was doing something when they guaranteed me a certain number of links or it was an exactly exact, specific number of links they were going to provide. I would potentially expect them to talk about a range of links that you might. I would potentially expect them to talk about a range of links that you might get, and I would expect them to talk about their process, of how they're going to build a story and how they're going to then promote that story. And you know they might talk about all the successes they've had and that's fine. But I think if it comes down to an exact number of links they're going to build and then when you look at them it looks like link buying. It doesn't look like genuine editorial and editorial produced links, then that's when that I'll be raising red flags and checking it. Is that, are they doing and providing what they said they were going to do?

Speaker 1: 11:36

Now, link building doesn't have to be digital pr. It doesn't have to be employing a company to do it for you. I mean, I'll give you an example of what we did with Keywords People Use when we launched. Now, obviously, we started from scratch and we didn't want to buy any links because, as I've talked before about getting penalized by Penguin in the past on Robonic KDK and how I have not done any link building since 2012 time because to me it's just too much of a risk.

Speaker 1: 12:03

I built for the long term. 12 time because to me it's just too much of a risk. I built for the long term, and so what I did with that was literally went out on twitter and just started talking about the tools we'd launched. What keywords people use was back in the first day, when it was about sort of our minimal, viable product. That's what I said to people. I made a noise on twitter look, we've done this thing, found other people talking about. People also asked and said, hey, this is our tool that we've built, look at this. And you know, just talk to people I knew in the industry and said, hey, have a look at this and then hope that some of them might retweet it or whatever, and go forward with that.

Speaker 1: 12:36

And we did start to pick up a lot of links very quickly just because we went out and made a bit of noise. It was very basic digital pr, it was just me on twitter, but that's the kind of thing you need to do. You just need to get the ball rolling and if you've got good enough content, good enough tool, good enough product, then it will start to, um, you know, like a rolling stone, it will it like an avalanche or a snowball going down a hill is what I'm trying to think of. You will start to pick up links more and more. Naturally, the more people link to you then, the more people see you written about, then more people will then, in time, start to write about you and link to you as well, and that's how it happened. So it's a very basic digital PR we did for that and that is the kind of link building that I'll do, because everyone is genuinely linking to you, because they think you've got something that's worth sharing, and you just have to get that ball rolling by going out there and making a bit of noise, but yeah, so that's building, which is very different from buying, buying. I would not suggest people do building. If that includes paying people to build for you, as long as they're not buying, then that's all good and nothing to worry about.

Speaker 1: 13:42

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Speaker 1: 14:21

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