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Hello and welcome to Christmas. Special number three of SEO is not that hard with me. Ed Dawson here as always, and I hope you've had a good Christmas day, good Christmas week so far. I hope you're probably surviving on leftovers, something like that. So today I'm going to share another favourite episode and also do an SEO question, an SEO emergency question, and see how I answer it. So today's emergency question and see how I answer it. So today's emergency question is if you could ask the ghost of SEO future one question, what would it be? So this is like from Dickens' Christmas Carol. So if we had an SEO Christmas Carol and we were being visited by the ghosts, what would we ask the ghost of Christmas future? So I think my question would be is Google still the dominant force in search? So I'd just be wanting to know, if you know, there's a lot happening in the air at the moment. We've had Google getting in with the monopolies, or whatever it's called in the US. Is it the FTC? Whoever's in charge of competition? They've been found to be anti-competitive. They might have to sell Chrome. They might have to do all these other things that we don't quite know about yet. We've obviously got competition coming in search from ChatGPT and others. So there's a whole load of flux at the moment in the whole search world that we've not had for years and years and years and years, probably since google became dominant. So this you know, you could go about 20 years or more before we've had this kind of uncertainty in the seo world. So yeah, I would. Just my question would be to see how dominant is google still in the future? Um, because that for the first time in years, I'm unsure. So with that question, it's on to a favorite episode of mine, which is especially at this time of year when you're probably thinking about what you're going to do next year, what you might be thinking about New Year's resolutions coming up, that kind of thing. It's really just about how my philosophy has always been built for the long term and why that's important. So hopefully you'll find this episode interesting and, yeah, I'll see you on the next episode next week. Hello and welcome to seo. Is not that hard. I'm your host, ed dawson, the founder of keywords. People usecom, the place to find and organize the questions people ask online. I'm an seo developer, affiliate marketer and entrepreneur. I've been building and monetising websites for over 20 years and I've bought and sold a few along the way. I'm here to share with you the SEO knowledge, hints and tips I've built up over the years. Hello, this is episode 90 of SEO is not that hard, and today I'm going to be talking about managing risk and building for the long term with SEO. Now, the reason this is coming up is because, obviously, it's March 2024.

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Google core update that's running at the moment. We're actually just into April, so it's probably now the tail end of the update. It's been just about almost a month now. Google said it might take a month, might take a bit more, so we should be seeing towards the end of it now.

Speaker 1: 4:00

And obviously there is lots of conflict, I would say, between the two sides of SEO, and those two sides are really people who play white hat and people who play black hat. Now, I don't want to take sides here, and I'm not taking sides because I don't think there's an issue with anybody doing whatever they want, as long as they understand the risks, and that's fine. We're all grown-ups you understand the risks, you take your chances, make your choices and then you live or die by that. The issue I have got is some people SEO influencers say who tell people, their audience, tell their audience what the risks are of some of the tactics that they are proponents of. Now it's fine for someone to say I do this, I do black hat stuff and these are the results I get, but but the risks are it's against the terms of service. So if you get caught, this is what will happen, or the risk of what will happen, so that people they decide to follow their advice know what they're playing with, they know whether, how risky it is, what the likelihood of being caught is and what if they do get caught, what the results of being caught will be. And I just feel there's too many people out there who are pushing tactics that undoubtedly do work. I know they work, I'm not saying that they don't work, but will they work forever? And it's probably a case of no, they won't.

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If you've been around necessarily long enough, you will remember things like link exchange pages and link wheels, which is where I mean there were tactics that people used to use 15 years ago and they worked. Where you'd have literally have a link page on your site and you would link to other sites, you would agree to do reciprocal links and you know these things worked. I can't remember if they ever. They were always against Google's terms of service. They might not have been around in the early days, but Google caught onto it and said this is against the terms of service. People carried on doing it and eventually Google penalized all these links and things like Penguin. And because it stopped working, everyone got hit, people stopped using it. So these tactics they come, they rise, google catches on to it, says don't do it anymore, then eventually starts penalizing people and not everybody comes back from these penalizations.

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I had some very close calls myself back in the Penguin and Panda times, especially around Penguin where we were buying links. We were having all sorts of crappy links that we used to go for because we were building links from 2004 when you'd literally just any link anywhere would work and and that came back to bite us several years later and we got completely penalized. We lost 99% of our Google traffic and we could have gone under on broadbandcouk. Luckily we had some reserves of cash, we sat down, we got some good advice, we worked out how to fix it and we came back. But it took. How long did it? I mean, I can't even remember now because I don't even have, because we sold broadbandco kuk, I don't have access to the analytics anymore to go back and look and say how long it took to recover. But we're talking, you know, months and months and months and probably more than a year to fully recover it. And that's a long time to go without your google traffic.

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If you know you're a site like an affiliate site like that or any site. Even if you, even if you're an affiliate site like that or any site, even if you're an e-commerce site, if you lose all your traffic, you lose all your custom. How long can you survive for? So that's why I have the issue that people who are pushing tactics now like AI content and saying AI content works look, here's all these examples of AI content still working. And yet it may still work at the moment. But Google's clearly sending a message that they don't want to index AI content and they've hit plenty of examples, and maybe those examples are just ones they are finding manually at the moment, but it doesn't mean that they're not going to be working on ways of automating it. If they are, if they aren't automating it already and you know, they're a multi-billion dollar company, if not trillion dollar company, with thousands and thousands, thousands of incredibly talented engineers working on these problems. They, they will solve them in the end. It's just inevitable.

Speaker 1: 8:23

So you can go with tactics that are short-term. And if you're going for a short-term tactic and you've got a short-term goal and you appreciate that at any moment you can lose that traffic and get your site penalized and lose sites, then fine. If you're doing churn and burn and you know that's what you're doing and that's what some very talented black cats do, and you know that's what you're doing and that's what some very talented black cats do, and you know kudos to them. It's their business model and I don't knock it. That's fine. But if you are someone who wants to build for the long term, then it's not a sustainable tactic because it only works for so long and I'd much rather have a site that takes a long time to build up but will last for a long time and will pay off, and I can sleep at night knowing that that site has got a much greater chance of surviving than if I'm doing dodgy tactics.

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Now, that's not to say that you know you can be completely clean and never get hit with anything because Google can change the goalposts, the helpful content update. I think there are plenty of people out there who are claiming to be clean and I've seen no examples of them not being clean. But Google has decided they're working on a different metric now, and that's fine. They can do that. It's their sandpit. We have to play by their rules. We can not like playing by their rules and we can, you know, not saying it's fair, but it's just a fact of life. You can either get wound up about it or you can get on with it.

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So what I'm really trying to say is that I think if you are trying to sell or recommend or teach someone a service where you're going to gain from it, then if there is risk around it, I think you need to be honest with what that risk around it is, with your clients or the people you're trying to influence. I mean, if you buy a packet of cigarettes, it comes with a warning. You know they I mean, I'm an ex smoker, so I you know, I understand the act of smoking is quite pleasurable, um, but in the long term they kill you, right? And they come with that warning. And I think it's the same with a lot of seo tactics that some people um, proponents of you. You know they can work in the short term, but in the long term you're probably going to get hit.

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If you are on the other side of it and you're learning SEO or any kind of SEO, I think you need to familiarize yourselves with the actual Google's terms of service, their recommendations, the things they say they do and don't want to see. Familiarise yourselves with the rater guidelines. Just understand the things that Google does and doesn't like. And if you are doing anything that Google doesn't like or suggests you don't do or says, these are the things that we will actively aim to penalise. Appreciate that risk when you do something. If you decide to do it, that's fine. That's up to you and I don't knock people for doing that. But just be sure that you understand the risk and you factor that into what your long-term plan is. So if you're doing churn and burn sites and you're completely happy with that, then great, great, knock yourself out.

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I don't sit there and moralize and say you shouldn't do this and you're polluting the SERPs. I don't mind, you do what you want. The only thing I would say don't do. Don't do anything illegal, don't hack sites, don't do anything that actually breaks the law. But other than that fair game.

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As far as I'm concerned, as long as you understand the risks you are putting yourself under, and if you're giving people advice to do the same things, just make sure to tell them what those risks are so they can understand, point them in the direction so they can educate themselves. But don't go around telling people things are white hat when they're not. Don't go around telling people there's no risk when there is risk. That is where you are crossing a moral boundary, I think really, because you know if you're making decisions for yourself with full awareness, that's fine, but if you're telling other people that something is fine, then that's dodgy. I mean, if you saw someone going around talking to your kids and saying, here, smoking's fine, it's good for you, it's not going to hurt you, there's no risk to smoking, you'd be upset because you know they're putting something on people without making them aware of the risks. Okay. So I think this is an important thing with seo is that people need to understand those risks.

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And when it comes to the long term, you know I that I I can't think of a single example of pure black cat that has lasted for, you know, 20 years. You know they may have churn and burn, they may repeat things over and over again, but they have to change the tactics all the time. Very few things work. Long, long, long term Sites get caught, moved on. No one builds a brand on Black Hat. I can't think of a single example of a brand that's been built on Black Hat People. I don't know if they can sell sites which are Black Hat for significant sums. When we sold broadband at Credit UK, I had to sign documents about all the tactics we'd used over the years and I had to completely cover the fact of what we'd done. That happened at the time of Penguin, and I had to warranty that we hadn't bought any links and we hadn't done certain things. Otherwise our sale never would have gone through and that would have cost us a huge amount of money.

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So, black cat, can you build long term? Can you build a brand? Can you build something you can exit from? With black cat it's very difficult, very difficult, because obviously, if someone's going to buy something off you, they are not going to want to buy something that could potentially be penalized to death the next day. So that's why, if you're for the long term, you're trying to build something, an asset that can look after you and pay you for a long time and also is something you can sell and cash out at the end, then you know you've got to manage risk well and understand what you're doing. So yeah, that's just my little rant today, um, so I just hope it gives people something to think about when they're deciding who to listen to and what tactics to try and what their long-term strategy is going to be.

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